ACTIAS

Dear Fernando,

the posted species is from the genus Eupterope. Unfortunately I do not know the kind.

Best wishes,

Eric

I think it's a Eupterope naessigi

Greetings Wessel Herrewijnen

Hello,

I'm anything else than expert in moth,but it should be E.naessigi.
Following the answer of Eric I googled a bit and found in e-bay a corresponding offer(provided the name is correct).
I'm wondering why the determination(for me)was so difficult for I have good literature on moths of the Philippines(Treadaway,Naessig et al) and the species doesn't seem to be rare.
I add one photo from my collection(collected on Leyte).

Best regards and magandang umaga to Fernando
Hans

On the webpage (Moths of Borneo) : http://www.arbec.com.my/moths/eupterotid…rotidae_1_2.php

Eupterote naessigi is not given for Philippines : " Geographical range. Borneo, Sumatra, Peninsular Malaysia."
And actually, E. naessigi looks a little bit different.

I can't find your sample on the page Saturniidae of the Philippines : http://www.wildsilkmoth-paukstadt.de/philippines.html
and within this second (The Saturniidae of Philippines) : http://www.saturnia.de/Research/Sat-Phil.html

Looks more like :
Eupterote multiarcuata Holloway, 1976See the page : http://www.arbec.com.my/moths/eupterotid…rotidae_1_1.php

Sorry, I can't do more !

Jean-Marc,
bonjour

I don't agree to you.If one species is not mentioned in the corresponding literature doesn't mean anything.Problem might also be that those authors are/were not everywhere in the field.Paper is patient.
I'm sure,you as an enthusiastic field explorer must face many facts not or insuffiently mentioned in the literature.
Fact is,the picture of the moth I added(looking paler than in nature)I collected myself on Leyte Island and it resembles exactly those ones from Malaysia.I don't know the patria of Fernando's samples.
I don't know why Nässig didn't mention it in his book.Maybe here in actias is one to ask him personally.
I add once more the link,the title of the book is mentioned at the lower end.
http://www.saturnia.de/Research/Sat-Phil.html


All the best
Hans

Dear Hans,

Bonsoir !
I add my answers inside your words :

"I don't agree to you.If one species is not mentioned in the
corresponding literature doesn't mean anything.Problem might also be
that those authors are/were not everywhere in the field.Paper is
patient."
OK ! I do agree !


"I'm sure,you as an enthusiastic field explorer must face many facts not or insuffiently mentioned in the literature."
That's very often true !


"Fact is,the picture of the moth I added (looking paler than in nature)I
collected myself on Leyte Island and it resembles exactly those ones
from Malaysia.I don't know the patria of Fernando's samples."
It's a matter of fact that many people asking insect identification forget to quote the collecting data (location, elevation). Philippines islands are different and the lepidofauna in Palawan differs greatly from lepidofauna in Leyte or Luçon ! It's a shame when no giving the collecting data : it's worst about the ssp. determination. And it's always interesting to know the location for getting a more acurate view of an sp. or ssp. repartition (range).


"I don't know why Nässig didn't mention it in his book. Maybe here in Actias is one to ask him personally."
I hope so !


"I add once more the link,the title of the book is mentioned at the lower end.

http://www.saturnia.de/Research/Sat-Phil.html"
I went to this page (I quoted it in my post). Strange that on a page about Saturniidae of Philippines, there is no mention of the genus Eupterote !! What do you think about ?

By the way, I must say that I'm not at all a Heterocera or Saturniidae specialist. I know better rhopalocera. Managing the website www.lepido-france.fr which includes a great number of lepidoptera links (see the Saturniidae page links), I just try to help. Of course, I do mistakes.

Warm regards

Just for fun : a Saturniidae moth I collected in Sulawesi :

And what about this one from Pass Valley in Papua : Eupterope ?

Hello Jean-Marc,
bonjour

We are probably on the same side.I also try to help if the topic is not too specific.Even an incorrect diagnosis can give the right cue to start a successful search in the web.And one can learn.

Unfortunately concerning butterflies from Australasia more or less my horizon starts and ends with the Philippines.My trips to Australia and PNG(see my present avatar)are long time ago.
I repeated one of your links to draw attention on the mentioned book of Colin G Treadaway et al.I consider it to be excellent.There is written a lot about many families of moth in the Phils.As Eupterope does not belong to the Saturniidae it is not mentioned there.
So they omitted Eupterope,and one must accept this as the editor's right.I own this book,text in English.CGT is well-known as a ceaseless field researcher,so one can imagine most of collecting data are authentic.
But even those authors are subject to errors,when theirs collectors/catchers due to indigenious negligence or deliberate malinformation.Once on Leyte Island I met one guy allegedly collecting for CGT,but then telling him his material is from Mindanao.As long as those people mean insects are something like flying or creeping banknotes a given patria often remains doubtful.

If you should not know yet, here the link for an other interesting site: http://www.saturniidae-web.de/

About the picture from Papua I think it's belonging to Euterope.Unfortunately it's not very sharp,I cannot recognize the antennae and the hindwing is half covered.As for now it resembles more E.multiarcuata in one of your abovementioned statements.

Kind regards
Hans

Dear Hans,

Thanks for your reply. I insert mines inside your text :

"We are probably on the same side. I also try to help if the topic is not
too specific. Even an incorrect diagnosis can give the right cue to start
a successful search in the web. And one can learn."

I do agree ! Even an incorrect determination could give the way to something more acurate.



"Unfortunately concerning butterflies from Australasia more or less my
horizon starts and ends with the Philippines. My trips to Australia and
PNG (see my present avatar)are long time ago."

My present avatar : picture taken in Warkapi, Arfak, Papua. Primary forest with many O. priamus poseidon, P. ulysses, P. lorquinianus, Jamides coritus, Nacaduba cyanea, and so on. Nice spot !!


"I repeated one of your links to draw attention on the mentioned book of
Colin G Treadaway et al. I consider it to be excellent. There is written a
lot about many families of moth in the Phils. As Eupterope does not
belong to the Saturniidae it is not mentioned there. So they omitted Eupterope, and one must accept this as the editor's
right. I own this book,text in English. CGT is well-known as a ceaseless
field researcher, so one can imagine most of collecting data are
authentic.

But even those authors are subject to errors, when theirs
collectors/catchers due to indigenious negligence or deliberate
malinformation. Once on Leyte Island I met one guy allegedly collecting
for CGT, but then telling him his material is from Mindanao. As long as
those people mean insects are something like flying or creeping
banknotes a given patria often remains doubtful."

I know that very well. In several places in Sulawesi, I met local collectors working for Detani (Famous insects seller in Denpasar) : their papered samples were without collecting data ! Sometimes, they did not remember from where was the butterfly !



"If you should not know yet, here the link for an other interesting site: http://www.saturniidae-web.de/"

Actually, I did not know this website. It looks very interesting ! Many thanks for this link that I'll insert in our links page "Saturniidae" asap.


"About the picture from Papua I think it's belonging to
Euterope. Unfortunately it's not very sharp, I cannot recognize the
antennae and the hindwing is half covered. As for now it resembles more
E. multiarcuata in one of your abovementioned statements."

Yes, I believe too. Sorry for the poor quality of the Eupterote picture. Here is larger size. And I add some shots from Warkapi (Papua), just for the pleasure.

Warm regards,