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Tuesday, May 3rd 2011, 6:52pm

Identification of Parnassius-specimens

Hi,

I've got two Parnassius specimens and I have two questions:

First, I would like to know, which subspecies can be this Parnassius simo-specimen. On its label the following collecting locality stands: Pakistan, Himalayah Mts., Deosai-Plains. Unfortunately, I couldn't open the link put on the "Parnassius of the world" website, although it's written there, that this map shows only distributions of some subspecies. Then I've found a distribution map here: Parnassius simo but there isn't the wanted area on it. I've attached a picture about it.

The next Parnassius-specimen was collected in the same place as above. The collector said to me it can be Parnassius stenostemus. Picture is attached. I wanted to know which subspecies can be it, too. I've found a map about "Parnassius of the world", here:
Stenosemus
This map was superposed by me on the Google Earth (the coordinates were found on the label), and I've got the following picture.
You can see that the collecting place belongs to the area of P. stenosemus ssp. rileyi. I could say, it is Ok, but on this website I found a picture about Parnassius jacobsoni, which aren't included the two checklist shown on the first page of this website. This fact can suggests the uncertain taxonomical status of this species, I don't know. But, if you can see the last picture, I think, that the queried specimen takes after jacobsoni much better, than stenosemus ssp. rileyi. All, not own pictures originate from 'Parnassius of the world' website. The red lines indicate the 'jacobsoni'-characters and the blue lines the 'stenosemus-charcters'. What are you thinking, is it Parnassius stenosemus ssp. rileyi or Parnassius jacobsoni?
So, that's all. Thx for the answers,
L

PS: Yes, the stenosemus must be spread again :-)
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Tuesday, May 3rd 2011, 7:37pm

Hello Kornel,
The left Parnassius should be Parnassius simo ganymedes which is desribed for Baltistan. The right one id P. delphius davidi described for Deosai, Baltistan. Everthing is in Eisner publication :)

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Tuesday, May 3rd 2011, 7:48pm

Hello Radovan,

Thank you. I think, that you understood the left as the first. And right is the second image. :-) Presumably you can see the images in your Browser in other way, as I. Thx, again. I'll look after delphius davidi.

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Tuesday, May 3rd 2011, 7:56pm

Hello Kornel,
Try to find this on the net: DIE ARTEN UND UNTERARTEN DER PARNASSIIDAE LEPIDOPTERA (ZWEITER TEIL). This is perfect publication when you want to find out the ssp. The rist part is about mnemosyne, glacialis, nordmanni, clarius, eversmanni, clodius and orleans, all other sp. are include in the second part.

P.S. I have edited my previous post :)

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Tuesday, May 3rd 2011, 8:10pm

I see...

Then,

I will edit my post, too. :-) If I find it, how can be done it.
I've found something.. Is it possible that the whole Parnassiana Nova series were digitalized and put on the internet, don't you know?

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Wednesday, May 4th 2011, 12:03am

Hello,

Na, I've found the literature, which you gave me. The whole Parnassiana nova is available on the Internet :-) This is very good news, because here:
Books, separata and reprints on Parnassius
the whole series costs 275-350 pounds. Who takes interest in Parnassius, the series can be downloaded here:
http://www.europeana.eu/portal/search.ht…arnassiana+nova

But, I think there are some differences between P. delphius davidi and my specimen, which I marked with red lines. The figure originate from Parnassiana nova XLVI., p. 88. 1971. I think, this will be not good identification.

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Wednesday, May 4th 2011, 2:20am

Hi Radovan,

But, I also think, the determination with P. simo ganymedes Eisner, 1932 is OK, - thank you! - with the difference, that the name ganymedes is a synonym of P. simo ssp. simoides O. Bang-Haas 1927. The reconsideration was written by Eisner, himself, in 1959 on the p. 185 of Parnassiana Nova, XXIV.

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Wednesday, May 4th 2011, 5:56pm

Hi Kornel,

So finally about the stadingeri...It is ssp. workmanni. Eisner wrote that workamanni has close relationship to ssp. mamaievi.

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Wednesday, May 4th 2011, 8:45pm

Hi again,

Yes, my specimes takes after P. staudingeri workmanni much better. But, the situation is very problematic. I didn't know that stenosemus and staudingeri were treated conspecific with P. delphius. The workmanni was originally described as the subspecies of delphius. Thank you!

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Friday, May 6th 2011, 3:33pm

Hi Kornel,

Many ssp. were firstly described as delphius. Then delpius was devided to: stoliczkanus, stenosemus, hunza, staudingeri, jacobsoni, maximinus and cardinal. Workmanni belongs to staudingeri ssp.

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