Beiträge von lamion28

Hm, thank you dear Andreas! it has nice orange hindwing. Then there is well-visible difference between the two sister-species.
Thanks one more time,
Best regards,
Kornél

Oops, sorry, at last I found a pic in its original description. See below. I don't see too many difference between friwaldszkii and this species.

Hi everyone,

Who could show me a picture about Janthinea divalis Staudinger, [1892]?
I just curious how does this species look? I didn't find any picture about it on the internet.
Thank you,
Best regards,
Kornél

Hi,

In the following weeks I have to do a barcoding for a certain moth-specimen, and I could amplify more 4-5 samples (I have less DNA-polymerase), if somebody would have sample. As you know, the barcoding is a molecular technique for identification of an animal specimen/individual. This is a 3steps-procedure with DNA-extraction, PCR and sequencing. During the PCR, we ampify the gene encoding the mitochondrial cytochrome-oxidase subunit I (to be more precisely a part of it) and this DNA-fragment will be sequenced. I have primers (oligonucleotides) only for Lepidoptera-species.

So, if somebody has some fresh (maximum 1-2 years old) but problematic, unidentifeid specimen (or one member of a problematic pair, let's say Leptidea sinapis/reali), I could help her/him. What kind of tissue do I have to send, if you are interested in this? So, generally the legs are used for this aim, but at micromoths the best is the abdomen, because the low mass of legs. If you want to take away the abdomen for genitalic study (so, you want to do a microscopic slide from the genital structures), then I propose, cut please the proximal segments of the abdomen, and it is worth to send these tissue-pieces to me.

We can get ca. 620-640 basepair length from the standard 658 basepair length with 1 sequencing. If you would like to get the full-length 658 bp sequence, that is plus one sequencing, but after my opinion, to an identification the 620-640 is enough (since that is ca. 96% of the 658-size, if we calculate with 630)

If you are interested in this, please write to me in PM/to my mail-address (also in German ), especially important to talk about the storage condition, the "history" of the given specimen. The age is also very important. We cannot get barcode sequence from too old specimen, and at my present conditions it is impossible.

Thank you
Kornél

PS: Just some pics, one about the agarose gel, in which I run the amplified mtCOI amplicon. You can see 5 lanes, the first from left is the DNA-ladder, or DNA-marker, the next three lane is a tryings or probes with different specimens collected in 1984.. They were negative, as you can see. And the last lane shows a positive control, a freshly collected Colias croceus. It is ok.

Next picture is a part of a chromatogram that is made at the sequencing.

If you will get the sequence from me, here you can perform the identification (simple copy/paste) and next surface will give out list after similarity
BOLD Systems: Management & Analysis - Identification Request

I've just prepared some Maurica breveti from Morocco
Lamion

Naturrally, I couldn't find the appropriate Entomologische Zeitschrift volume on the internet, two..It is possible, there is some explanation in that article. Does anybody have this article???
Thank you!

Hi everybody,

I would be interested, that:
1. What was the type locality of Papilio alexanor attica (or atticus) VERITY, 1911? Unfortunately, I didn't find any information on the internet about this. This taxon was described in Verity's book: "Rhopalocera Palaearctica".
2. This situation a little bit interesting, because Schmitt described an other alexanor subspecies from Greece in 1989. The type locality: Arachova. It is sure. But I don't understand what was the reason of the new subspecies-description, if the attica/atticus name has already introduced. Can anybody answer? The Schmitt's description releas in the Entomologische Zeitschrift mit Insektenboerse. Essen 1989; 99(20): 300-302.
Thank you for replies! Auf Deutsch auch, obwohl ein bißchen schwerer mir zu verstehen.
És persze magyarul is jöhet!
L

Hi Werner,

Thank you for your advice! Your pictures are beautiful!

Best wishes,

Kornél

Sorry,

My third sentence:
Do I have to rear them in room temperature or in a room without heating (5-15°C)?

K

Hi everybody,

I've got Lasiocampa grandis eggs. 3 caterpillars have already hatched from the 30 eggs now. Do I rear them in room temperature or in a room without heating (5-15°C). I don't know which strategy do I have to follow? In room temperature, they will go in pupae perhaps under one month, and I can give them Rubus-leaves during the whole larva-stadium.. But on 5-15°C I'm afraid we will go in the winter, and I can't give them leaves.. This species exists in Balkan peninsula (Greece, Bulgaria) and Near/Middle-East. What are your advices? Thx, in advance.

Kornél

Hallo Klaus-Bernhard,

Huhh, 85 are not sponge-cake... (used a Hungarian expression) Our weather was warm enough in September, additionally my cocoons were stored until August in my room, and this fact could disturb them. Then the weather - in these days - was suddenly too cold, and now is a little bit higher temperature again. Perhaps therefore the third (it's also male) hatched from my beginning 8 coccons today evening. I hope the rest will hatch soon.. Not a female has hatched until present, so I think they are coming soon.

Brunschi - big thx for the material also in this way I could have had more cocoons - I think - some things were disordered by me, for example the first little caterpillars couldn't still obtain fresh oak-leaves, because they weren't yet (I didn't put the eggs in +4°C at the end of winter) So, I lost immediately three larvae, right the firsts. Then I suffered with the followings with giving of Salix capraea- and subsequently Quercus-buds, when at last the oaktrees have put out leaves on the southsides.
Thank you for the answer!
Best wishes,
Kornél

Hi everybody,

When did hatch your last caecigena adults? My first two caecigena males have hatched ca. three and four days ago. And I'm waiting for the other adults.. I have still 6 cocoons or pupae, more correctly, because I remove the cooons, because the first one couldn't break off its cocoon. How long can the hatching of P. caecigena drag?

Best wishes,
Kornél

Hi again,

Yes, my specimes takes after P. staudingeri workmanni much better. But, the situation is very problematic. I didn't know that stenosemus and staudingeri were treated conspecific with P. delphius. The workmanni was originally described as the subspecies of delphius. Thank you!

Kornél

Hi Radovan,

But, I also think, the determination with P. simo ganymedes Eisner, 1932 is OK, - thank you! - with the difference, that the name ganymedes is a synonym of P. simo ssp. simoides O. Bang-Haas 1927. The reconsideration was written by Eisner, himself, in 1959 on the p. 185 of Parnassiana Nova, XXIV.

Regards,
Kornél

Hello,

Na, I've found the literature, which you gave me. The whole Parnassiana nova is available on the Internet This is very good news, because here:
Books, separata and reprints on Parnassius
the whole series costs 275-350 pounds. Who takes interest in Parnassius, the series can be downloaded here:
http://www.europeana.eu/portal…ml?query=Parnassiana+nova

But, I think there are some differences between P. delphius davidi and my specimen, which I marked with red lines. The figure originate from Parnassiana nova XLVI., p. 88. 1971. I think, this will be not good identification.

Regards,
Kornél

I see...

Then,

I will edit my post, too. If I find it, how can be done it.
I've found something.. Is it possible that the whole Parnassiana Nova series were digitalized and put on the internet, don't you know?

Kornél

Hello Radovan,

Thank you. I think, that you understood the left as the first. And right is the second image. Presumably you can see the images in your Browser in other way, as I. Thx, again. I'll look after delphius davidi.

Regards,
Kornél

Hi,

I've got two Parnassius specimens and I have two questions:

First, I would like to know, which subspecies can be this Parnassius simo-specimen. On its label the following collecting locality stands: Pakistan, Himalayah Mts., Deosai-Plains. Unfortunately, I couldn't open the link put on the "Parnassius of the world" website, although it's written there, that this map shows only distributions of some subspecies. Then I've found a distribution map here: Parnassius simo but there isn't the wanted area on it. I've attached a picture about it.

The next Parnassius-specimen was collected in the same place as above. The collector said to me it can be Parnassius stenostemus. Picture is attached. I wanted to know which subspecies can be it, too. I've found a map about "Parnassius of the world", here:
Stenosemus
This map was superposed by me on the Google Earth (the coordinates were found on the label), and I've got the following picture.
You can see that the collecting place belongs to the area of P. stenosemus ssp. rileyi. I could say, it is Ok, but on this website I found a picture about Parnassius jacobsoni, which aren't included the two checklist shown on the first page of this website. This fact can suggests the uncertain taxonomical status of this species, I don't know. But, if you can see the last picture, I think, that the queried specimen takes after jacobsoni much better, than stenosemus ssp. rileyi. All, not own pictures originate from 'Parnassius of the world' website. The red lines indicate the 'jacobsoni'-characters and the blue lines the 'stenosemus-charcters'. What are you thinking, is it Parnassius stenosemus ssp. rileyi or Parnassius jacobsoni?
So, that's all. Thx for the answers,
L

PS: Yes, the stenosemus must be spread again

Hello Everybody!

So, I was uncorrect previously. Because after all I found the book of Tutt on the Internet.
http://www.ebooksread.com/auth…ieties-volume-3-hci.shtml
And Tutt writes the followings about T. aurago:
"Xanthia, Tr., aurago, Fab.

This is another most beautiful and most variable species. I am
indebted entirely to the Reading collectors, especially to Mr. Holland,
for my specimens and for notes on the species. The ground colour
varies from the palest yellow, to deep purplish-red, through orange.
The orange-red and purplish-red have both almost unicolorous forms,
but the pale yellow is, so far as I know the species, always banded.
Mr. Holland writes.: "Aurago, here Eeading varies beautifully
but gradually from the pale yellow which is the commonest form
through orange to one uniform purplish colour. From a long series
you might pick out at least five vars., looking distinct enough
represented poorly, but as well as I can now, by the four top specimens
I am sending you, and the extreme purple var. just mentioned " (in
litt. Oct.' 91). Strange to say, I had already divided the specimens I
had by me as Mr. Holland suggested. This was as follows :

IN THE BRITISH ISLANDS. 13

1. Pale yellow, with dark basal and outer bands == aurayo, Fab.

2. Pale orange, with basal and outer bands = var. viryniu.

3. Pale orange, almost unicolorous = var. unicolor.

4. Deep orange-red, with basal and outer bands =-. var. rutilayo,

Fab.
5. Deep purplish-red, almost unicolorous = var. fucata, Esp.

The type is thus described by Fabricius : " Noctua cristata alis
deflexis fuscescentibus : litura baseos fasciaque media late flavis."
" Statura praecedentium (croceayo). Alse anticae basi apiceque fuscaa
litura flavescente. In medio fascia lata dentata flava. Posticse cinerere "
(< Mantissa,' p. 159).

a. var. viryata, mihi. This variety differs from the type only
in having the central fascia of an orange colour instead of pale yellow.
It appears to be as common as the type.

ft. var. unicolor, mihi. This has the dark basal and outer areas
almost obsolete, the orange of the central fascia spreading over and
occupying the whole of the wing space. This is not at all a
common form, the unicolorous varieties usually being more or less
purplish, and inclining to var. fucata.

y. var. rutilayo, Fab. The form with the central area of a deep
reddish-orange colour, is described by several authors under the name
of rutilayo. Guenee writes : " The rutilayo of Borkhausen must be
considered as intermediate between the type and the var. fucata "
(' Noctuelles,' vol. v., p. 394), whilst Hiibner's rutilayo (' Beitraege ' &c.,
vol i., plate 2, fig. L) and his aurayo (' Sammlung europ. Schmet.' &c.,
fig. 196) are orange-red with purplish basal and outer areas. It is
the fucata of Staudinger's 'Catalog,' p. 117 where he writes:
" Magis unicolor, al. ant. fascia media aurantiaca."

8. var. fucata, Esp. This is the unicolorous purplish-red form of
the species and is the exact opposite in development to var. unicolor ;
for whilst the latter is produced by the normal purplish-red of the
basal and outer areas being suppressed and the central orange fascia
spreading over the whole wing area, fucata is produced by the orange
of the central area being suppressed and the purplish-red of the basal
and outer fascia spreading over that area. Although this variety looks
almost unicolorous, the central band is slightly more orange than the
basal and outer fascia, but the difference is very slight. I have such
varieties in my collection. In sending me a var. for examination
Mr. Clarke of Reading wrote : " This is the most extreme dark
variety of X. aurayo taken here " (in litt.). Guenee writes of this
variety : " The median space powdered with reddish and almost
concolorous with the rest of the wing ; the stigmata and transverse
lines almost obsolete. It is found with the type and is no more rare
than its type " (' Noctuelles,' vol. v., page 394). Of Esper's figure I
made the following description : " The anterior wings unicolorous
reddish with the basal and elbowed lines paler " (' Die Schmet. in
Abbildungen ' &c., pi. 124, fig. 3).

c. var. lutea, mihi. A series of aurayo sent for my inspection
from Mr. Chittenden, and captured near Ashford, in Kent, contained
two specimens presenting forms quite new to me. One specimen was
unicolorous, clear yellow- orange, with the exception of fine faint wavy

VARIETIES OF NOOTUJK

reddish lines, almost obsolete, for the basal and elbowed lines, and a very
small amount of darker orange shading on the outer edge of the wing
beyond the subterminal. This form completes the series, for we now
have (1) pale orange, without and with dark bands ; (2) dark orange,
without and with dark bands. I have never seen so perfectly yellow
a specimen before. Var. virgata is the banded form belonging to this
variety. The second was a modification of the Fabrician type, but
had faint pinkish bands instead of the usual dark coloration."

As you can see there is some scanning mistakes. Also in the names.. But it can repair by zipcodezoo.com in worst case. But I have to add the "f. marmorata Warren" name to the list, presumably Warren described this name later, than Tutt's work was publicated. But I know meanwhile (from Ladislauß Reser) at f. marmorata the basis of forewing and the marginal band of forewing is reddish-brown and the middle-ground of forewing is marbly, consists of mixture of lemon-yelloew and orange-brown patches/spots..

So, I have answered my question..:)

Kornel

Hallo,

DEUTSCH: Könnte jemand mir nachsehen, wie Formae von Tiliacea aurago abgeschrieben wurden? Leider ich habe nicht so Quelle, von deren ich kann es wissen. Mit Google und Google Books ich habe verschiedene Formae gefunden: z. B. f. marmorata Warren, f. unicolor und vielleicht f. ruficola oder f. ruticola (?), aber ich weiss nicht diese Formae mit welchen Charakteristic, oder Eigenschaften verfügen. Deshalb ich konnte nicht meine Exemplaren in Forma-Stand determinieren, aber ich möchte es...

Ich glaube so, daß Tutt in sein "British Noctuae and their Varieties" einige Formae abgeschrieben hat. Könnte mir jemand eine kurze Abschreibung über die Formae von T. aurago geben? Oder bitte könnte mir jemand determieren die Viehe im Form-Stand auf dieser Bilden? Das ein Bild stammt aus Lepiforum.de. Natürlich ein paar Viehe sind eberjener (oder ähnlich/identisch ?) Form.
Danke die Hilfe!
Gruß,
Kornel

ENGLISH: So, I would like to know what kind of forms of Tiliacea aurago were described. Although I found some forms on the Internet (f. marmorata Warren, f. unicolor, etc.) but I haven't any publication, from which I can know, how features the different forms have. Therefore I can't determinate my specimens in form-level, but I would like to do it. Please, if anyone can help me, let him write some notes about the features/wingpattern of the different forms of T. aurago. Or please let him determinate in form-level the specimens in the two pictures (One of these picture I took from Lepiforum.de website). Or both: writing notes and determination I know Tutt described some forms in his "British Noctuae and their varieties" in 1891
Sorry for the German and English grammar mistakes..:)
many-many thx..
Best wishes,
Kornel