Fotos von Aberrationen und Gynandern

Hallo,

habe die Bilder ganz vergessen. Besteht noch Interesse?

Übrigens möchte ich die verkaufen, hast Du eine Idee?

gruß Joachim

Hello, it looks like an interesting discussion topic, but because I don't understand German I can't participate in the discussion! If anybody wants to "exchange" gynandromorph photos please contact me at Bicaliber@gmail.com.
Cheers,
Alex

Hi Alex,

"google version" No guarantee

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Photos of aberrations and GynandernMein scientific interest to all aberrations, shapes, and especially gynandromorphs of butterflies.
Because these individuals are usually not sold, I try to at least get a good photo of it (jpg, if possible, resolution min. 1600 x 1200 pixels).
These photos serve only to describe and explore the possible variation of lepidopteran and will not be disclosed on request.
Who has such animals or photographs of them and would be willing to make these photos available to me?

Greeting
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butiacapitata

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Saturday 5 April 2008, 20:54
That also includes hybrid?
It would also be very important to mention possibly bred with it, or if copies are meant only natural or "artificial" or "man" caused aberrations? Top of quoting

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Metamorphus

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Sunday 6 April 2008, 10:07
Hybrids do not really fall under the rubric aberrations, however, certain forms of selection and crossing with other subspecies can be strengthened. These hybrids are then once again interesting, albeit of limited scientific value. I am talking about just look at what's possible. In addition to natural forms are also artificially generated shapes to consider. It is important to determine what factors have any influence on the drawing. This definition does not have the well-known and researched of heat and cold forms of Vanesse.

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butiacapitata

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Sunday 6 April 2008, 10:43
My recommendation would rather draw here very clear line and differentiate. Either scientific or not. Feasibility is too much ....
So a Gynandromorph Papilio tokaraensis would still be interesting, even if he / she comes from breeding? Top of quoting

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Juergen 0211

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Sunday 6 April 2008, 11:43
Photos of GynandernHallo Helmut,

I put a photo with 3 Mosaikzwittern G. cleopatra in the gallery.

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Fredge

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Sunday 6 April 2008, 20:18
Hello,

You can check for some nice aberrations and gynandromorphs here:

http://www.wwbi.be in the left menu "special rarities.

All the best,

Fred It's nice to be important ...
but it's more important to be nice! This post has been edited 1 times, last edit by "fredge" (April 6, 2008, 20:19)

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Metamorphus

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Monday, 7 April 2008, 13:42
Hello Matthias,

with the exact separation is such a thing. It is, for example, I know, no breeders succeeded by any influence or control factors create a Gynandromorphs "to". These are usually very rare chance products that result from an impaired cell division, we can not bein river.

So a Gynandromorph Papilio tokaraensis would still be interesting, even if he / she comes from breeding? --- Yes, of course,
and I would be glad also about an image.

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Helmut Top of quoting

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Metamorphus

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Monday, 7 April 2008, 13:44
RE: Photos of GynandernHallo Jurgen

Congratulations to the beautiful Mosaikgynandern. I Have this image is already secured.

Continue success
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Metamorphus

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Monday, 7 April 2008, 13:52
Hello Fred,

I have known this nice page already. But Thank you anyway for the hint. To other interested entomologists have a chance to check it too.

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butiacapitata

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Monday, 7 April 2008, 20:09
Hello Helmut,
we say it this way.
I've learned, it is very much possible. There is already crazy people in this world, especially with regard to this hobby. The inventiveness and imagination of many is not exactly small. Rightly or wrongly believe that an answer does not exist here.
Once your breeding room / greenhouse is more like a laboratory, I believe it is critical ... : cool:
In our regions we breed more butterflies because they have fun in nature.
Others have just a different worldview, values, whatever .... we must accept it.
Then I would narrow it at least on "farming without additives, is only a recommendation.
Sure, send your picture.
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butiacapitata

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Monday, 7 April 2008, 20:20
E-mail address would not be bad, of course: happy:
Have no standing in profile .... This post has been edited 1 times, last edit by "butiacapitata" (April 7, 2008, 20:21)

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Chris

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Saturday 3 May 2008, 18:34
Hello

've Accidentally just found this link, and I thought maybe you know these two yet

http://www.senckenberg.de/root/index.php?page_id=3608

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Fladda

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Saturday 3 May 2008, 23:40
Hi All,

I find the Diskussuionen to Hybrid, so it is now for all kinds of creatures Ziehmlich boring when it's all about the look. Whether it is a unilateral or a mosaic Hybrid, while I do not care. Then only thing I find interesting about this phenomenon, is as the development of the egg with the distribution of chromosomes in such a case. But in this case so no one seems to do research.

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Yavanna

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Sunday, 4 May 2008, 09:11
RE: Photos of aberrations and GynandernMoin!

Here is another one I've seen a few days ago in Lepiforum. Yes you ask me, if you get the picture - if you are interested.

http://www.lepiforum.de/cgi-bin/2_forum.pl?read=24654

Greeting
Renate greetings from the north
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Sunday, 4 May 2008, 12:14 PM
Hello Fladda,

look at halt-time link to my stands scho biserl what to chromosomes. (ja eig Gonosomenfehlverteilung)
Otherwise, I think that the mechanisms that can lead to a misallocation during cell division, similar to humans.
eg Klinefelter's syndrome. Trisomy 21 is also so similar. Gibts da countless examples, the bonding mechanisms (of chromosome breaks, improper arrangement during the anaphase and and and) are in fact adequately researched ..

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Papa Papillon

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Sunday, 4 May 2008, 12:41
The specialist for Gynandromorphe is Dr. Wolfgang Nässig,
Forschungsinstitut Senckenberg, Entomologie II, Senckenberganlage 25, 60325 Frankfurt, Tel. 069/7542323 069/7542323, FAX: 069/746238, wolfgang.naessig @ senckenberg.de

I know he has a collection of pictures from gynandromorphs. Check it out: the album of the insects exchange in Frankfurt! Top of quoting

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Monday, 5 May 2008, 19:27
RE: Photos of aberrations and GynandernHallo Helmut,
had drawn in 2006 Halbseitenzwitter of S. cynthia ricini.
If the photo happy to provide. Request for email address.
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joachim

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Friday 6 June 2008, 12:13
hermaphrodite Hello,

have some how I can send you pictures?

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Metamorphus

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Saturday 21 June 2008, 13:49
RE: Hybrid Hello Joachim,

Thank you for your offer. 'm Obviously very interested in your pictures of Gynandromorphen and told you why someone sent my email address for both your address, as communicated via the PN function of the forum.
Let's hear it once from you!

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joachim

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Tuesday, 1 July 2008, 00:04
Hello,

ill and busy, send the b.G. , So even a week.

Gruß Joachim This post has been edited 1 times, last edit by "joachim" (July 1, 2008, 00:05)

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Metamorphus

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Tuesday, 1 July 2008, 19:29
Hello Joachim,

'm looking forward to the pictures. Please do not forget the data!
Thank Dankim advance and a speedy recovery
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joachim

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Wednesday 13 August 2008, 17:24
Hello,

I forgot the pictures. Is there still interest?

Incidentally, I would like to sell, you have an idea?

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Metamorphus

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Thursday 14 August 2008, 19:40
Hello Joachim,

have received the images. Thank you very much!
For Sale I can not really say much, perhaps more to help ebay!?
But actually, the animals are too good to be sells at a loss to.

Greeting
Helmut